Guru v. Rowan

Controversial councillor to challenge Mayor in Kapiti election

By Alan Tristram
 

The best-kept secret on the Kapiti Coast is outed today — Councillor K Gurunathan, popularly known as Guru, has apparently thrown his hat in the ring for the Kapiti mayoralty.

But he has still made no direct statement.

Instead, he’s taken a full-page ad in colour in the Kapiti News, signed ‘Guru: the People’s choice,’ giving his views on the Kapiti Expressway.In his first term as a Councillor, Guru has distinguished himself from the pack by taking an independent line on some controversial issues — water meters, a ramp for disabled at the new swimming pool, and the new coastal erosion policy. And he’s clashed with Mayor Jenny Rowan on numerous occasions.

Expressway ‘set to steamroll’

In his full-page colour advertisement, Cr Gurunathan says the Expressway is ‘set to steamroll through the district.’

‘Any chance of stopping it has largely evaporated. The challenge, however, is to leverage immediate benefits from the construction.’

He then lists various ways in which he thinks the district can benefit from the Expressway project — including  increased employment, local training, orders for local quarries, and increased real estate activity.

And he concludes with his answers to the question:’ What should be done?’

Various contenders for Mayoralty

Sitting Mayor Jenny Rowan (two terms already) has already  announced she will stand again .

And another Councillor, Ross Church — who challenged unsuccessfully for the mayoralty in 2010, has said he’ll stand again.

There’s also a complete outsider, British migrant Gavin Welsh, a former soldier in the Household Cavalry.

Meanwhile, former mayoral candidate Chris Turver said recently it was ‘far too early’ to decide whether he would stand for the district or Greater Wellington Regional Council.

“Until we’re quite clear on what the proposals are for regionalisation, anybody putting their hat in the ring is too premature,” he said.

Former Hutt mayor David Ogden signalled last year he would stand for the mayoralty, but recently was more circumspect and not willing to confirm a run.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why do you want the last three posts deleted Robert?

Are they too objective for you?

There’s always more than one point of view. Sometimes its useful to read them again.

Whatever the arguments over who would be the best choice for mayor, at least we have a variety to choose from which is good news for Kapiti and good news for democracy.

I don’t offer any negative comments about any of the prospective comments being non-constructive. I do say that our current mayor has led this council through the most turbulent years our council has experienced in major issues, major conflict and major results with more to come. And has done it well.

I will also say that Guru has kept council honest as a trouble shooter and his columns reflect this. The pen is mightier than the sword.

At least both of them are not obviously right wing. Both of them know our region and its people and both of them hold out for nature at the expense of corporate or self seeking developers and their teams of spin doctors.

I believe the mayoral status quo will remain with several candidates putting themselves out there and splitting the vote.

Even among those who may be homophobic, respect is grudgingly admitted for Jenny Rowans performance.

It would be better for Guru to remain as a councillor where his talents will contiue to keep council honest.

“As for Robert Atack’s observations. He is right about carbon emissions and the contracting access to petroleum. But I am sure he still drives a car. There are also millions of Indians and Chinese who also want to own and drive a car. Maybe he should cycle around China and India and preach to those poor that exercising their democratic right to be as stupid as those in the western consumerist societies is not sustainable or wise. Given Robert’s many years of trying to hammer some global sense into the ignorant masses he would easily negotiate around this spin.” Guru

“He is right about carbon emissions and the contracting access to petroleum. ”
So if we agree on this statement, why is a motorway a good thing?

“But I am sure he still drives a car.” My driving a car or not is going to do absolutely nothing to change what is already set in motion. Building the motorway or not, will do nothing as well, we are locked into abrupt climate change now, regardless of anything we can do or not do. I am not against driving, I’m just saying these days are going to be short lived, so building idiot motorways is just a bloody waste of time. We are 3 weeks away from fuel rationing at any given time, as we do not have enough fuel stored in New Zealand to withstand a sudden shortage. I’m sure we will be facing sudden and long term fuel shortages long before people can drive the length of this pipe dream.
We are locked into 400ppm for a minim of 1,000 years, so ‘we’ are locked into plus 23 meters sea level rise, and a little annoying thing called near term extinction, humans go extinct at around +2 – +3 and @ 400 ppm we are locked into +6, it depends on how fast the ice melts, this summer could see no ice in the Arctic, which could mean the total disappearance of the jet stream, as opposed to the sick meandering we are currently seeing. ie endless winter in the UK and endless drought in the US.

“There are also millions of Indians and Chinese who also want to own and drive a car” … Humans being humans there are 7 billion people who all want to drive a car.

“Maybe he should cycle around China ,,,,,,,” like I said above it wouldn’t make one jot of difference. next you will be suggesting I kill myself as I am against adding to the human burden, via more children. www dot vhemt dot org.

We first met when you contacted me about the ads I was running in the Observer ‘Transmission Gully will never be built’ I said I didn’t want to talk to you because you would be just another media hack, who would be pro the system, you calmed you weren’t ‘bla bla’. I gave you so much information, what happened to all the DVDs ? Office Frisbees? But after reading your ‘peoples choice’ spin on the motorway I think I will stick to my first thoughts.

“stupid as those in the western consumerist societies is not sustainable or wise” So again if you think this then what is good about the motorway?

“global sense into the ignorant masses” is that ‘The People’?

Surly if you are going to be a community leader you should understand a little bit more than ‘the people’. If you want to be mayor you are asking us to trust you with the long term plan, which could see you influence it for about 13 years? I know the ltp is a load of pie in the sky crap, but it will be your crap then. And your ad clearly shows you haven’t got a clue, and you are just playing the field.

And it isn’t fair on the people being screwed over by this white elephant, and in the future people will look at this monstrosity and wish that energy had gone into something this community could use … like maybe some way of growing food.

When you hide behind a pseudonym you can talk as much nonsense and make as many false claims as you like without public accountability . Lets start with unmasking yourself before we try and engage with some intelligent and accurate discussion. -Guru

Well Guru there are 3 people using their real names …. answer some of the questions m8

I thank Jill Abigail for her observations and respond. The political system that we have inherited is entrenched on the principal that opposition is a dynamic part of a living democracy. I make no apologies for the issues I have covered in my columns. Secondly, all the ideas I laid out were not a part of any “collective” process within council. Council was understandably wrestling with questions of design, local access, and avoiding & mitigating greater environmental destruction. You are right, however, that not all the ideas I laid out were mine. I interviewed key developers, construction companies, business promoters and even real estate people before I assembled the ideas together. I even contacted an anti expressway campaigner to discuss the thrust of my piece. The timing of the piece was critical as no one was thinking of what Kapiti can leverage out of the construction stage. The value of a fully constructed motorway in a sustainable future is of course questionable. The piece gives people a choice to think and take the necessary steps to scrape some gains out of a situation we have been forced into by ideologues at central government.

As for Robert Atack’s observations. He is right about carbon emissions and the contracting access to petroleum. But I am sure he still drives a car. There are also millions of Indians and Chinese who also want to own and drive a car. Maybe he should cycle around China and India and preach to those poor that exercising their democratic right to be as stupid as those in the western consumerist societies is not sustainable or wise. Given Robert’s many years of trying to hammer some global sense into the ignorant masses he would easily negotiate around this spin.

See you all at today’s rally at the Speakers Corner.

What on earth does K Gurunathan think he’s playing at? For the last two and a half years he has accepted a salary to sit on the Kapiti Coast District Council to which he was elected. Over that period he has taken every opportunity to use his weekly newspaper column to snipe at that same council, undermining the organisation of which he is a member.

A few months out from the next local government elections comes the advertisement presenting his views on the Kapiti expressway. As a current member of the KCDC, any ideas he has about maximising benefit from the expressway’s construction should be fed into the collective processes of the council. I profoundly disagreed with the KCDC’s decision to cooperate with the NZ Transit Agency by joining its Alliance. However, the council’s rationale was that, since the expressway was an inevitability, KCDC needed to use whatever influence it could to see that the district got the best possible deal and conditions. While Guru’s views have presumably been incorporated into that process, he has no doubt also learned from the views of others. How much of the collective thinking of KCDC council members and staff appears in what Guru is now presenting as his own ideas?

Guru signs himself off as “the People’s choice”. Choice for what? We don’t know, because he is not telling us. Pure game-playing. We need transparency and integrity in our representatives, not silly games.

He then lists various ways in which he thinks the district can benefit from the Expressway project — including increased employment, local training, orders for local quarries, and increased real estate activity.

Spin Dr Guru ?
John Key would be happy to have you on his team.
We need growth because it will give us jobs?
WTF?
We are at 400 ppm CO2 the last time the planet was @ 400ppm the ocean was lapping the hills behind Waikanae (23 meters above now) and the average global temperature was 6 degrees celsius above pre-industrial (currently only 0.8 above)
The very last thing the (your) children need is more destruction of their environment, be a man and stand up for your children, stop the positive roll over tickle me Elmo crap and tell the truth. the district needs this scab as much as it needs a nuclear power plant on Kapiti.
But there again the happily ignorant masses will swallow any crap, if it means they don’t have to get off their apathetic arses.
You can fool most of the people most of the time.
Good luck, it will be nice seeing you handle the shit storms on the horizon.

When you hide behind a pseudonym you can talk as much nonsense and make as many false claims as you like without public accountability . Lets start with unmasking yourself before we try and engage with some intelligent and accurate discussion.

I am very pleased that my old friend , Guru, is proposing to stand for Mayor. He has worked very hard as “Councellor” and knows the area extremely well , which is what we want as “Mayor”.

Just how has this Councillor has taken an independent line on some controversial measures ?
By abstaining from voting on water meters when he could have voted against them or put a counter motion on the table against Council accepting them?
By appearing at a public protest about the ramp? It must be election time.
By supporting a countermotion against Council removing the Coastal Erosionlines. No
By supporting Roger Booths countermotion to allow 3 members of the public on the new committee investigating Shands scientific evidence for the coastal lines. NO, he didn’t.
Sorry GURU but some Kapiti Coasters have been watching YOUR performance around the table very closely and you don’t measure up. In fact if any voter wants a change from the current Councils complete lack of debate at the debating table, VOTE FOR NEW PEOPLE or else you are just going to get what you have now.
*9 OUT OF 10 of the last consultation processes, this Council went ahead despite a huge majority of us saying NO to their projects. *

Good question : “What should be done?” Answer: It’s never too late to Save Kapiti from the Monster! There are too many who will suffer, too many who will be either homeless or bereft living next to the Thing, too many who still care for our beautiful “Nature Coast”, too many who understand we need integrated transport as well as some kind of a new road, a new road For Kapiti, not Through Kapiti.